Star Trek and mind-bending time travel mean Guinan has forgotten Picard

Picard and Guinan


Picard and Guinan

Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick Stewart) and Guinan (Whoopi Goldberg) have had a relationship that goes back what appears to be hundreds of years. That said, if you believe the Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes, “The Arrow of Time.“That’s when Picard and Guinan first met, and it was in the 19th century.

It’s a classic Trek time travel episode in which Mr. Data (Brent Spiner) learns that his head was somehow disconnected and buried in the past. Fans were also able to see author Mark Twain interacting with people from the future and realize that all is not what it seems.


However, when Guinan (now played by the actress Ito Aghayere) met Picard in 2024 (as in the episode “observer‘), she didn’t seem to remember him at all. Episode 3, “assimilation‘ Agnes Jurati (Alison Pill) figures out where Picard needs to go to meet the Guardian. Jurati received this information when she “mind fused” with the Borg Queen (Annie Wersching).

This place ended up being a bar called 10 Forward. Fans will remember that 10 Forward is also the name of the bar on the Starship Enterprise where Guinan worked. When Guinan met Picard in this new, earthly 10 Forward, Picard recognized Guinan immediately, but she didn’t do the same.

“See you in five hundred years, Picard.”

“See you in five hundred years, Picard.” GuananStar Trek The Next Generation Season 6 Time’s Arrow: Part 22018-03-10T02:43:20Z

“I don’t know you, old man,” she said. He begged her and said they had a connection. She told him she was leaving and gave her dog to a character named Dale (played by brian quinn from “Impractical jokers” Fame). Guinan told Picard that he should go as well. She suddenly became ill, which Picard explained because someone had tampered with the timeline. That someone is Q (John de Lancie).

Guinan has previously sensed changes in the timeline. Most notably in the TNG episode “companies of yesterday.”

Trek fans everywhere screamed at this scene, wondering why Guinan didn’t recognize Picard. Thanks to Reporting by Inverse’s Ryan BrittFans can read exactly why Guinan didn’t know who the admiral was.

Ito Aghayere as Guinan

Picard Meets Young Guinan – Star Trek Picard S02E042022-03-24T14:09:37Z

“This Guinan wouldn’t remember Picard because the TNG episode Time’s Arrow never happened in that alternate timeline,” said Picard co-showrunner Terry Matalas.

“Since there was no federation, these events did not unfold immediately,” Matalas said Britta in an interview. “There is no previous relationship. However, she probably still traveled to Earth, and as we know, hung around a bit.”

“So this Guinan is different,” Matalas said. “But of course she can sense that something is wrong. She’s going through some kind of time sickness because of Q interfering with the timeline.”

Engadgets Kris Naudus disagreeing. In her articleShe writes that Matalas and the others who wrote the episode are suffering from “operator error.”

“Some writers argue that continuity can be stifling, and the jury is still out on how important it is, but in the case of Guinan and Picard, the appeal lies in the characters’ shared history,” Nadus wrote. “A shared history that isn’t hard to look up on today’s internet.”

Naudus argued that Matalas and the others dropped the continuity ball and forgot “Time’s Arrow” with a vengeance. She explains that such things could be forgiven in the past, but with the advent of Memory Alpha and other Trek sites, they should have known better.

“Mind stopping that noise?”

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Naudus’ reasoning makes a lot of sense, especially when the occurrence of Kirk Thatcher as a punk rock fan – the same guy who was a punk rock fan in Star Trek VI: The Voyage Home. When Raffi (Michelle Hurd) and Seven (Jeri Ryan) asked Thatcher to turn the music down, he complied, probably remembering how Mr. Spock (Leonard Nimoy) used the neck position to render him unconscious in 1986.

This means that Picard, Raffi, Seven and the rest of the team traveled back in time; They arrived on the “Prime Timeline,” the same place where Kirk (William Shatner) and Spock found the whales and brought them to the 23rd century.

Similar to “Back to the Future: Part II‘ when Biff (Thomas F. Wilson) went back in time to give himself the Sports Almanac, he did so to change the future. That future was the corrupt future where Biff was rich and Doc Brown (Christopher Lloyd) was dead. Marty McFly (Michael J. Fox) went back to when Old Biff gave Young Biff the almanac and prevented the dark future.

Doc Brown and time travel

Time travel explained! (Excerpt from the film “Back to the Future Part II”)“Doc” draws a great illustration to explain time travel to “Marty”.2017-08-12T06:30:45Z

That’s exactly what Picard and his team did. Q transported them to a dark future, an alternate timeline where Earth and the Milky Way were ruled by human fascists. To change the future, Picard used the slingshot effect to travel back in time to prevent this dire event (which ran through history) from ever happening.

Naudus might be wrong when he says that Matalas and co. have never seen Parts I and II of Time’s Arrow – he probably has. But Matalas’ explanation doesn’t make sense. Perhaps Q altering the timeline could have altered Guinan’s memories as well instead.

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